Stefanie’s good friend Lisa Sundstedt is back for this week’s second episode of For Crying Out Loud. Stefanie opens the show talking to Lisa about her early childhood trauma. Then Lisa talks about her addiction to gambling. This leads into a discussion about substance abuse, addiction, and getting sober. Before they wrap, Lisa recaps the failed intervention she once tried to hold for Stefanie back when Stef was still drinking. And please support our sponsors: ADT.com, Geico.com, Bombas.com/FCOL, NetSuite.com/FCOL, ThirdLove.com/FCOL.