Sam Harris speaks with Jon Favreau about the state of American politics. They discuss the Trump administration’s wrongful deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, tariffs, why Trump’s supporters don’t care about his corruption, the next steps for Democrats, the energy behind AOC and Bernie Sanders, why Biden failed on the border, Biden’s legacy, potential 2028 Democratic candidates, Elon Musk and DOGE, whether we can ever return to “normal” politics, and other topics. Jon Favreau is the host of Pod Save America and co-founder of Crooked Media. He served as President Barack Obama’s head speechwriter from 2005 to 2013. He is also the host of Offline with Jon Favreau and The Wilderness. His first book, Democracy or Else, which he co-authored alongside his Crooked Media co-founders, is now a New York Times best-seller. Jon lives in Los Angeles with his wife Emily, their sons, Charlie and Teddy, and their dog, Leo. Website: https://crooked.com/podcast-series/pod-save-america/ X: @jonfavs Share this episode: https://www.samharris.org/podcasts/making-sense-episodes/407-can-we-ever-return-to-normal-politics   Learning how to train your mind is the single greatest investment you can make in life. That’s why Sam Harris created the Waking Up app. From rational mindfulness practice to lessons on some of life’s most important topics, join Sam as he demystifies the practice of meditation and explores the theory behind it.