In this episode, Jonathan talks to social and political commentator Parnell Palme McGuinness. They cover Parnell's "small 'c' conservatism," Australian politics and society, the art of communication, the culture wars, cancel culture, objective truth, tradition and the social value of religion (even for the non-religious). Parnell is a Managing Director and co-founder of strategic communications and PR firm Agenda C. She specialises in strategic policy and campaign engagement services, with industry associations, governments, brands and think tanks. She writes a weekly column for the syndicated Nine newspapers and is a regular on ABC programs Q&A and The Drum. Jonathan Cole is an academic, writer, speaker and translator specialising in political theology: the intersection of religion and politics. He is currently Assistant Director of the Centre for Public and Contextual Theology at Charles Sturt University and previously worked for the Australian Federal Government, including as a Senior Terrorism Analyst at intelligence agency The Office of National Assessments.