Aoife O'Leary is the Director of international climate at Environmenral Defense Fund (EDF). She is a lawyer and as specialised on the environmental impacts of international shipping in aviation, she's also a board member of Rethinking Economics, a charity campaigning to reform the economics curriculum in the UK. With Aoife, we talked about growing up in a union household, the murky world of shipping, the potential of renewable energy export, navigating complexity, the right way to implement carbon pricing and what to do with the revenues generated, changing the climate change narrative and having the right incentives for corporates. All the references mentioned in this episode can be found on: http://gosimone.org/episode-19-aoife-oleary-on-decarbonising-shipping-to-unlock-a-global-energy-transition/