Optimism wasn't exactly in massive supply ahead of yesterday's 6 Nations game against England, but the scale of the defeat is nowhere near told by the final scoreline of 24-12. The scoreboard flattered us, but the performance spoke volumes. Ireland are way off the pace. Shane Horgan and Denis Hickie give us their view on what was a dispiriting performance after two wins in our first two games in this year's championship. Scrum, lineout, driving maul, attack, at half-back... there are a lot of areas where vast improvement is required. Former England out-half Paul Grayson joins the show to give us the England viewpoint, while Ken Early questions the patriotism of our players, Murph pines for the Twickenham wins of yesteryear, and McDevitt attempts to boil lances and lance boils, all in the same podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.