In this Iron Culture episode Dr. Helms sits down with fellow 3DMJ coaches and Iron Culture veterans Brian Minor and Alberto Nunez for a spirited debate about who they each think are the top 5 natural male bodybuilders of all time. Bodybuilding is where art and culture meet science, where science meets sport, and if you are a fan of natural bodybuilding and its history, you will love this episode. Listen in as they struggle to even agree on a criteria for someone to be The Natty GOAT, learn little-known facts about the early years of Kai Greene's career when he was natural, and pay careful attention to the honourable mentions, as there are many potential candidates, for the "Mt. Rushmore plus one" of natty competitive bodybuilding. 00:00 Welcome to an exciting episode without Omar and Trexler 02:29 Brian and Berto's history with bodybuilding Iron Culture Ep. 26- How Progressive Overload Actually Works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfe8tsxFieI&t=37s 10:20 A debate of the Mt Rushmore + 1 of natural bodybuilding 23:00 A quick Kai Greene and IFBB/NPC history lesson 28:30 Continuing the debate 51:00 Fleshing out everyone's 5th and final competitor and some honourable mentions 1:14:13 The top 5 ranked 1:20:48 Final comments and closing out