This week, Mike and Oteil talk with legendary visionary artists and couple Alex & Allyson Grey, who together founded the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors, CoSM, a spiritual creative retreat center outside of New York City. Alex & Allyson talk about using psychedelics with intention to find the “mystic light” that runs through everything, and the experience of having your mind opened to love and to the light. They also discuss the experience where their love was solidified, when Alex took LSD for the first time at Allyson’s apartment, and his dark mental state that precipitated this huge life shift. All four share their mystical experiences encountering God, and finding ways to get back to the “flow state,” the awakened creative state where one cohabits with the divine. The wisdom and food for thought is plentiful throughout this conversation.  The mystic paintings of Alex Grey articulate realms of psychedelic visionary consciousness, revealing interwoven energies of body and soul, love and spirit, illuminating the anatomical core of each being. Alex’s visual meditations on the nature of life and consciousness, the subject of his art, have reached millions through his five books including three monographs, the exhibition and extensive reproduction of his artwork, speaking appearances including a popular TED talk, stage sets for major rock bands, video animation, and Grammy award winning album art.  Allyson Grey is a painter, social sculptor, Alex’s creative and life partner since meeting in art school in 1975. Chaos, Order and Secret Writing comprise the essentialized world view portrayed in Allyson’s paintings. Chaos represents the material world, Order, the interconnected realm of energy and light and Secret Writing articulates the mystic realm of creative expression. MFA, Tufts University. Allyson has long been an art educator, event organizer and a muse to artists worldwide.  Together, the Grey’s co-founded the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors, CoSM, a spiritual creative retreat center outside of New York City. On the forefront of a movement in which painters join musicians on stage, the Grey’s have painted together live before tens of thousands of dancing young people at New York Broadway theaters, at sold-out festivals and arenas in dozens of international cities across five continents. As long-time advocates of “cognitive liberty,” a growing international “sacramental culture” has embraced the Grey’s as important mapmakers and spokespersons for the visionary realm. The Grey’s, with the CoSM team, are currently building Entheon, a Visionary Art sanctuary at CoSM. cosm.org Links: Alex Grey on Instagram Alex Grey on Facebook Allyson Grey on Instagram Allyson Grey on Facebook This podcast is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Please leave us a rating or review on iTunes! Comes A Time is brought to you by Osiris Media. Hosted and Produced by Oteil Burbridge and Mike Finoia. Executive Producers are Christina Collins and RJ Bee.... Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices