In this thought-provoking episode, Malcolm and Simone Collins discuss a controversial Lancet study funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation that predicts a dramatic decline in global fertility rates by 2100. The couple delves into the study's alarming implications, including the potential for wealthy nations to exploit impoverished countries as "human farms" to sustain their economies through immigration. Malcolm and Simone also examine the study's celebration of population decline as a "success story" and its call for explicitly left-wing solutions to rebuild society. Throughout the conversation, they critique the study's assumptions, highlight the ethical concerns surrounding coercive immigration policies, and warn of the long-term consequences of treating human beings as mere economic resources.

Simone Collins: [00:00:00] While the scenario may sound alarming, the paper describes the collapse in global birth rates as a, quote unquote, success story.

Fewer humans means less carbon emissions, the paper, observed. urged readers to prepare for a rapidly shrinking global population where most newborns worldwide are in sub Saharan Africa, where wealthy countries compete fiercely for immigrants to prop up their economies.

This is a vision for the year 2100 provided by Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation

Would you like to know more?

Simone Collins: Okay. What? I, I was just clicking through to the research square article. Withdrawn the association between adult penile length and IQ evidences from 139

Malcolm Collins: countries. Why is that? Why would they withdraw it for

Simone Collins: that reason? 22 February 2024, Research Square has withdrawn this preprint due to the problematic nature of the topic concerning race and intelligence.

We acknowledge the [00:01:00] sensitivities involved and the potential for misrepresentation or harm. This decision reflects our commitment to disseminate, disseminate, withdraw on research that meets our rigorous standards for integrity and respect for all individuals. Please refer to

Malcolm Collins: our, so people who know what this article was on, it, it correlated IQ with penis links.

Yeah. And, and it did obviously break its cohorts by ethnic group. And unfortunately this ended up showing IQ differences in ethnic groups, which led to the paper being the

Simone Collins: results are still posted. I'll, I'll I'll, I'll read the results. statistically significant negative correlation was found between flaccid penile length and IQ, indicating higher IQs in individuals with shorter penile lengths and notable ethnic differences were observed.

Oh no. And so it's so funny though, because like, you'd think that this would be protracted. Because it's about. But I was just [00:02:00] reflecting on the fact that you somehow, despite, you know, all this, get to buck the trend and you've got both the big package and the big brain, I hope you appreciate what you have

Malcolm Collins: to crude for this podcast.

Simone. I didn't put

Simone Collins: disseminated in this. I didn't put

Malcolm Collins: talk about a really fascinating article today that I was going over because progressives are now beginning to admit that we've got a problem. We're not that we've got a problem, but that global fertility is crashing Much more rapidly and much faster than they thought before they are.

It's exciting. It was an article where I was like, okay, what I'm going to do is I am going to read segments from this article. Like we usually do when we're going over articles, just like the important points. But I just went through it. I was like every line in this is worth reacting to because it is so fascinating.

So what we're going to be going through and talking through is not the [00:03:00] original article. But the Breitbart article that takes out the important points, because this gives us an opportunity to one, already have all the important points condensed, but both react to the extreme leftist position on this and the extreme rightist position on this.

Simone Collins: Lancet article, right? That's a very respected journal. That was published sort of per the prerogative of Bill Gates.

Malcolm Collins: Well, we'll just go through. So, the, the article that we'll be reading from is titled quote, dramatic decline in global fertility in quote by 2100 developed nations will fiercely compete for migrants.

Bill Gates funded Lancet article predicts,

Simone Collins: quote, open immigration will be vital to maintain population size and economic growth, unquote.

A Bill Gates funded study published in the Lancet this week claimed, predicting a grim future where people having children in developed countries becomes rare. So woohoo! They're validating us, right? I mean, this is

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah. Even progressives now admit that we were [00:04:00] right about all of this and we were crazy.

Simone Collins: We fight for open immigration of, of competent. People who want to come in, I will continue the future is difficult to predict the study conceded, but nevertheless urged readers to prepare for a rapidly shrinking global population where most newborns worldwide are in sub Saharan Africa, where wealthy countries compete fiercely for immigrants to prop up their economies.

This is a vision for the year 2100 provided by a Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation funded study from the University of Washington Seattle's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, IHME, published by the In the increasingly woke Lancet Journal that counsels birth control for Africa and open borders for Europe to survive the coming decades.

You can tell that this is a Breitbart article.

Malcolm Collins: Hold on, you gotta read the tweet thing here.

Simone Collins: Okay, so here's the tweet that they released. That is to say that the [00:05:00] Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation released. Explosion emoji, traumatic declines in global fertility forecasted to transform global population patterns.

Fertility levels significantly below replacement levels by 2100 only with only six countries able to continue maintaining population size over time. Hashtag GBD 2021. Then they link to their Lancet article. It is

Malcolm Collins: wild. Hold on. And in the Lancet article is titled in 2100, half of the children born on the planet will be in Sub Saharan Africa.

But they're admitting

Simone Collins: it!

Malcolm Collins: They're, they're, they're, it's totally No, they're, they're estoling this. They're like, all of the world will be fighting over these people born in Sub Saharan Africa. And it's like, no! Like, okay, first of all, they're, we have said this in op eds that we wrote, that like, the progressive plan around this is racist.

They basically want to treat Africa like a human farm, because they will only be fighting over people in these countries. If these countries are unable [00:06:00] to achieve the economies that lead to below fertility replacement rate, even in Africa, when a country goes above 5, 000 USD per year in their, their average GDP or average, you know, yearly income per family, sorry, not GDP.

They fall below replacement rate, so they have to keep these countries poor and then they want to use them like human farms and bid over the people who are being shipped from them to support their economies.

Simone Collins: They're banking on poverty, they're banking on continued impoverishment for very deserving nations that is to say very deserving of development nations.

Yeah, but

Malcolm Collins: also I want to be realistic. Like, what do we think? Like we often like laugh at the progressives for saying, ha ha ha, you know, they're banking on poverty, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But like, let's be realistic. Our country is actually going to be fighting over immigrants from sub Saharan Africa.

Not, but a hundred years from now, not, not 50 years from now, because people misunderstand throw out. [00:07:00] Any of the, the, the accusations of like different IQs among different ethnic groups, right? Like ignore that. Okay. If you have a population, okay. Like Haiti is a great example of this happening and intergenerationally, you remove 85 percent of the people from that country who graduate with college degrees every single generation.

And you do that for like five years. Four or five generations, even throw out the genetics part. Culturally, you are going to have a population in that country that is incredibly hostile to education because you have intergenerationally, so you don't even need genetics to play a role here. You are creating pools of people that are going to be, and if you have a country where every single time somebody in that country makes a lot of money, they leave.

Which is also what happened in Haiti. So Haiti is a great example of what's going to end up happening to these places. So every single person who makes over a certain amount of money [00:08:00] and wants security for their family leaves. Every, or not every single person, but let's say 85 percent of the people who make a lot of money want security for their families leave.

And 85 percent of the people who get college degrees leave. Intergenerationally, culturally speaking, that country is going to produce less people like that. And this is going to lead to environments where even though they're producing a lot of. People, these people do not fit the economic hole that is left by the lack of people in the developed world.

They are not useful economic input. Well, because as

Simone Collins: we've said many times before, what nations really need, especially, so, okay, in terms of butt wipers, fine, maybe, maybe but what nations Also really need aside from labor, which I think many people miss in these discussions about demographic collapse is taxpayers because someone has to hold up the pensions.

Someone has to pay taxes to maintain schools and roads to make sure city infrastructure doesn't crumble, to make sure governments still are stable. And so if you don't bring in people who are [00:09:00] economic producers, who are smart enough to move an economy forward, to innovate, you're in a pretty bad position.

And other people in our general sphere have recently been Tweeting about how Oh, actually more births who was on our podcast recently recently tweeted a really interesting graph arguing how demographic collapse hurts the most innovative countries right now. The most apparently, you know, like the, the most.

Quickly innovating, amazing, technologically advanced cultures and nations are going kaput. If, if you don't find a way to make more of those people somehow, it's a, it's bad.

Malcolm Collins: People really, like, we are, like, fundamentally, it doesn't, it doesn't, Exactly matter that the number of humans is collapsing. Okay.

We're not fighting for endless humans. And we always talk about this. We're like economically productive cultural groups, like in here, keep going, we're not even talking about genetics, just cultures, right? Economically productive cultures. And this is true within countries and between countries. So if I'm [00:10:00] going to sub Saharan Africa, the more economically productive an individual is, the more likely they are to either leave and then have their fertility crash or have lower fertility within their own countries.

And so people here are economically productive and they don't understand what I mean by this. So, to word this another way, the problem is that we don't have tax payers anymore. It's not that we don't have humans anymore, it's that we don't have tax payers anymore. And tax payers are what you need for all of these progressive solutions you have to things like poverty.

Poverty and homelessness and people starving and single

Simone Collins: mothers. Yeah, these aren't immigrants that countries are scrambling to, to bring in just so they can be on social services and not work. And I think that's also another big misconception is there's this weird dichotomy in progressive talk between, you know, you know, we will take your tired masses, right?

We will take care of them. We'll help them get back on their feet. Whereas really what they're saying, they need from immigration. When they talk about immigration in the [00:11:00] context of demographic collapse as a solution is, oh, no, no, we're going to brain drain all of your productive workers, leaving you with nothing in your own home nation.

And we're totally not going to let in anyone who doesn't contribute to our tax base.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, this is a really twisted thing. So suppose progressives implement this perfectly. So at least for our lifetimes, it'll probably work out. Okay. If you just take everyone from sub Saharan Africa who is economically productive or educated and we just do that.

Like. Don't, ignore that this isn't a long term solution, right? Like, ignore the cultural effects this is going to have on everyone involved in this triangle trade the progressives are trying to set up. But just consider the effects that this will have within our lifetime. When I ask a progressive, and I point to, you know, a homeless person, right?

And I go, do they deserve some of the income from like, the economically wealthy of our country to, to, to not live in circumstances like this? And they'll say, and I'm like, what about their [00:12:00] kids? Do they deserve that we put them into schools and give them a chance in the progressive state? Of course they do.

And I'm like, then why are you stealing the people who would be paying that money if that person lived in Africa? Is it because African homeless people don't matter to you? Is it because you don't give a s**t about black homeless people? Okay? Is it because you don't care about Latin American homeless people?

You only care about homeless people if they happen to be born in the United States? The people that we are robbing these countries of are the people who pay into their tax base and allow them to support their own struggling classes. This is absolutely wrong. Catastrophic. And it creates all sorts of horrible disincentives for these countries.

Because now if these countries had systems where they were paying for people to get college degrees, for example, and a huge portion of people getting college degrees are leaving the country. Well, now they have an [00:13:00] incentive. To not pay for college degrees anymore because they're losing all that investment to the U S which is basically robbing them of it.

This system is horrible, but it also reminds me of a joke I told you earlier today. Whereas you know, people know we're, we're generally you know, we're not super antagonistic to immigration as long as it's of economically productive individuals. However, you know, we have to put this in the context of history and it's like, I feel a bit like I'm hearing from people.

Well, the sea people are mostly productive tradesmen and when they come to our country do you not think a sea person can be a potter just as well as an Egyptian sea? Sea people can be potters too. Okay. They're not leaving their countries cause they want to, it's due to climate change, most historians do believe is that the sea people are moving due to a climate change event.

And, and, okay. And, if anything, we as Egyptians are, we have the most important gods in our country, so we [00:14:00] likely weren't worshipping them correctly, which led to this climate change. So, how dare you keep the sea people out of our country, where they don't want to displace us, okay? They don't want to cause any sort of turmoil in our civilizational system.

They'll come, and they'll take the jobs that Egyptians and Hittites don't want. Pfft. Yeah. And frankly, see people as a term, I find a little bit dehumanizing. Okay. I mean, I can't remember what they're actually called because we didn't record that, but I just find your use of the term see people.

Why can't we just call them extra people? I either they're, they're extremely human. In many ways, they're more human than us because they've undergone so much. There you go. I mean, okay, sorry, I had to do my Sea People rant, but continue to move on.

Simone Collins: All right, I will continue to read. [00:15:00] While the scenario may sound alarming, the paper and a hefty press release accompanying it describes the collapse in global birth rates as a, quote unquote, success story.

Fewer humans means less carbon emissions, the paper, which also received funding from the British, Norwegian, and New Zealand governments, observed. Here's a quote from the paper itself in The Lancet. Although sustained below replacement fertility will pose serious potential challenges for much of the world over the course of the century, it also presents opportunities for environmental progress.

Alongside strong pro environmental regulations, a smaller global population in the future would alleviate some strain on global food systems, fragile environments, and other finite resources, and also reduce global warming. carbon emissions. So they're happy about it. Oh yeah,

Malcolm Collins: keep reading, keep reading.

Simone Collins: According to the paper's co author, the facts of life will require explicitly left wing solutions, and society will have to be rebuilt to suit. Land Research [00:16:00] Scientist from IHME, Dr. Natalia L. Butchering her name, I'm not even trying, said, quote, The implications are immense. The future trends in fertility rates and live births will completely reconfigure the global economy and the international balance of power and will necessitate reorganizing societies, unquote.

Malcolm Collins: That is horrifying. So they now admit that this is happening and they're like, Hmm, now our global cabal can have even more power than they

Simone Collins: previously had. That they don't somehow think that at least among their little network of nations, including those that funded this Lancet paper, that they aren't already pretty left leaning.

I mean, I guess they're not. Universally left leaning. And there have been right No, no, no, no.

Malcolm Collins: Sacklashes. Is to extend the control of the organizations that they already own, like the UN, the world health organization, and then other billionaire controlled organizations, and then use those organizations to enhance further [00:17:00] control over this new triangle trade of human, of humans.

Then they're like, oh yes, we're going to start using African as a human farm and And we are going to. use this Africa human farm and distribute its resources to our will. And we will have to exercise even more control over the governments that we do control to allow, you know, less dissent, less thought, less, you know, this is a fantasy in which as the number of humans declines, they have even more power.

The problem is, is within their own countries, the groups that are still breeding, even the intelligent, economically productive groups like you and me or Elon, are extremely hostile to their interests. The people who are doing these studies, the people who are writing these Lancet reports, I bet they don't have kids, not above replacement rate at least.

And, and that's the key to all of this, is they think that we will continue to go along with this. And they think that Even Africans, Africans are going to be okay with their countries kept in [00:18:00] intentional poverty so that they can be farmed by Europeans for humans. The, the, the, No one is okay with this solution, except for this small group of ivory tower elites who literally have never spoken to an African immigrant.

Because the funny thing is that a lot of the pro needless movement is actually this first wave of African immigrants that's like super competent. And a lot of conservatives are not aware of like, How smart a lot of the African immigrants to our country are in the first wave of African immigrants, or the first few waves of African immigrants was this immigration cycle.

They are incredibly competent, industrious, entrepreneurial people. And they are not excited about shipping everyone else from their country over here. They left for a reason. Okay, they're like, yeah, now I'm in the land of the free. Let's Leave behind what I left behind and let's make sure that this, this country doesn't destroy itself so that my kids can, and, and let's keep the progressives from converting my kids because when the progressives bring them over here, they're like, okay, well, [00:19:00] now we need to work on your homophobia.

And the Africans are like, like, f**k if you are okay, buddy, I came over here for the, the, the economic advantage and to be around other Christians or believers, if they're Muslims, you know, not to be around people like you and even us as people who are pro the gay community, even though I'm pro the gay community, I don't think that we have a right to erase the cultural traditions that most Africans have.

i. e. not African, American Africans, but Africans who are immigrating from Africa, around how they relate to gender and relationships. It is their right to keep their traditions and we don't get to impose our theological, cosmological, our moral systems on them as if ours are innately superior to theirs.

This, anyway, continue.

Simone Collins: Okay, I'm going to skip the tweet that they posted because it's just promoting their own. [00:20:00] So this is a continuation of a quote from that woman. Quote, global recognition of the challenges around migration and global aid networks are going to be all the more critical when there is a fierce competition for migrants to sustain economic growth.

And as Sub Saharan Africa's baby boom continues apace, she added. The press release on the study predicted that by 2100 quote, half the children born on the planet will be from sub Saharan Africa, primarily in Western and Eastern sub Saharan Africa. So I mean, yeah, they're, they're not wrong about that.

It's just their plans on what to do with it. Pretty messed up. Again, your, your healing farm thing.

 Quote, in low fertility, hi, I'm in, sorry again, I was just thrown by what I'm reading because it's so crazy.

Quote, in low fertility, high income economies, policies that support parents and open immigration will be vital to maintain population size and economic growth. It continued in these locations. Populations will shrink unless low fertility can be offset by ethical and [00:21:00] effective immigration. Unquote far from Western nations arguing over how to actually, before

Malcolm Collins: you go further, I want to note something.

Cause this is the very first time we've seen progressive note, this ethical immigration, they're beginning to realize that coercive immigration is something that their policies are going to begin to coerce.

And, and, and, and, and encourage and reward. And I wonder what they consider ethical. It's ethical that we take a slice of the entire population of a country is ethical, that we don't just take their best and the brightest, because at the end of the day, people might notice us from our videos, I care about what's happening on the global stage, but I'm still an American Patriot first and foremost, and that's why I'm okay with immigration of the best and brightest because I like what's good for America and I like creating America as a home to the globe's, you know, most adventurous, most ambitious and best and brightest.

But I, unlike them, recognize that this [00:22:00] is this comes at a severe cost to the people that were, the countries that we're taking these people from. And that when we bring these people over here, we need to find a way to not erase their cultural background so that they can stay high fertility.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Seriously. All right. Far from Western nations arguing over how to best manage migration, the paper prognosticates a future where states fight each other to get their hands on as many migrants as possible. And according to the I H M E's modeling, the only six nations on the earth that will have above replacement fertility rate by 2100 will be Samoa, Somalia, Tonga, Niger, Chad,

Simone Collins: Tajikistan. Any hope of countering these issues by encouraging growth and fertility rates in developed countries, for instance,

is close to pointless, the paper assured. Discussing the total fertility rate, TFR, which in general means 2. 1 children per woman in a society to achieve cell sustainment, [00:23:00] the IHME professes to have determined, quote, that even under optimistic assumptions, unquote, the impact of prenatal policies will be low.

They're not wrong. Abortion is inevitable too, the paper noted, so don't try interfering with that either. There is no silver bullet, unquote,

Malcolm Collins: caution. I love this. I love this so much that they have come to all the conclusions we have. It's like, well, the pronatal policies that they would like to implement, i.

e. cash handouts. That's what they mean. Pronatal policies don't work. They don't mean protecting diverse. conservative groups that already exist within their countries, i. e. the various different conservative religious traditions that exist within the United States, within Canada, within the UK, because of course, they have a right to those cultures, children.

They just need to ship in more for their, Unsustainable human farming practice. What is this other than that, right? That's how their culture survived is by taking children from nearby demographically healthy [00:24:00] cultural groups or shipping them in. And that's what they're saying here. And I love how they're also like, Oh, anything that goes against, but I would know that generally abortion restrictions within a country.

We did a piece on this. Like if you look at graphs of Europe by how, strict they are on abortion policies. There is a pretty strict overlap between that and how low their fertility rate is. So just at a functional level, it doesn't really work. But it is you know, I, I hate agreeing with these people on anything, but they're right about that.

Simone Collins: No, they're, they're not, they're not wrong. Although Breitbart, of course, being very antagonistic to them immediately below this shows a tweet of theirs. Mentioning Hungary's pro family policy is working, births up 9. 4% pointing to a recent uptick in fertility in Hungary, which does have many perinatalist policies.

So Breitbart's trying to say they're obviously wrong, but oh my gosh. Shall I continue? Yeah. The distribution of births in the future is going to be very uneven, it predicted. While the total TFR is thought to be around 1. 6 [00:25:00] and around 1. 5 across much of Europe and the United States by 2100, areas like South Korea and Eastern Europe are said to be looking at a real demographic winter with TFRs heading toward one child per woman.

In other words, the natural born population of such areas would have every generation. Batajari explained. Most countries will remain below replacement levels, and once nearly every country's population is shrinking, reliance on open immigration will become necessary to sustain economic growth.

Sub Saharan African countries have a vital resource that aging societies are losing. A youthful population, unquote. They

Malcolm Collins: only have that because of extreme poverty. They are literally laying out their plans to keep these countries in poverty to use them as human farms. Oh, my God.

Simone Collins: While the IHME warns of high migration in the future, where policies to encourage births in the developed world will have failed to do anything but take the edge off, the [00:26:00] body does concede such long term forecasts are difficult.

Indeed, German newspaper DeWalt, totally messed that up, cited The Berlin Institute for Population and Development, which notes, quote, projections that go more than 25 years into the future are super uncertain, unquote, given the sheer number of unpredictable factors. One of these factors, as the IHME itself noticed, is, noted, is changing technology, acknowledging the impact of artificial intelligence and robotics is, quote, difficult to predict, unquote.

Nevertheless, they could, quote, reduce the economic effects of changes in age structure, unquote. It's such a scientific way

Malcolm Collins: of putting it. And then, and then under it, there's another quote from Breitbart, or another tweet from Breitbart deaths of UK born overtake births of UK

Simone Collins: Yeah, well, we're seeing that all over the place.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah so, I mean, I think, and you can see why I wanted to read the whole article. There was nothing in that that wasn't completely insane. [00:27:00] These people are Like, yeah, it bothers me that people are always like, why are you so antagonistic to, you know, it reminds me of my, my ancestors, right? Like, you know, when they were fighting against slavery, I'm sure many of their neighbors would be like, these people are your friends.

Like, why are you not friends, but like friends of your parents and stuff like that? Or like, like, you know, you guys are part of the same cultural group. Why are you fighting against them so ardently? And it's like, because of the slavery thing? The, the, the, that, that's why, the slavery thing. That's a big deal.

And they're like, well, come on. I mean, it's an economic system and everyone benefits to some. No, there are some positions that some people are pursuing that are so completely indefensible. And even in, during the slavery thing, a person might be like, well, look, I don't support slavery myself, but I do have to fight for the Confederacy or I do have to vote.

For, you know, democratic [00:28:00] politicians if the, the pro slavery politicians, of course, they'll pretend that, oh, I, I don't remember that the Democrats used to be. I mean, we do have to vote for the Democrats of course. And they're like, well, I mean, no, no, no, no, no. Just because you don't support that.

If you vote and support a political ecosystem that leads to this as a result. You are supporting it. And if a person says, Oh, well, what's happening now is not comparable to that. Maybe what's happening in the world today, but the future that this article lays out is not that much better than slavery.

Intentionally, you. keeping African countries in extreme poverty so that they can be used as human farms? And do you think that they intend on these people they ship over to displace them in leadership positions? No, they do not. They want to use them as economic force. fuel, [00:29:00] like a resource is the way they talk about them, like their oil or something, a disposable resource.

And when I say disposable, I mean disposable in their mind, because when immigrants come to the United States, the average fertility rate of immigrants, and this was last I looked, so it's probably much lower now, it's 1. 7. So at the time that was measured, that was about the average fertility rate of the average American citizen.

So what it falls to about the rate of the average citizen of a country. So the, these, this is not a resource that you can like ship over and it repopulates itself. You need to keep these countries in poverty, keep shipping them over. But as you do that, let's ignore the genetic effects of this. Culturally, these countries are going to become less and less productive over time.

In terms of the utility of the immigrants to the tax base, which is the whole purpose of this. It's not humans. It's tax base that you're shipping over. It's economic productivity that you're shipping over. Anyway, what are your thoughts?

Simone Collins: Well, I think this goes back to the very common theme with demographical apps and prenatalism of this being a litmus test [00:30:00] for anyone's world view and values.

And so of course, when you look at this from this perspective, the, the Gates foundation has been very involved in Africa and very involved in, in, in, in Helping various African populations with, I think what malaria, right. And various forms of development, like they're, they're trying and they care. And I think part of this is them trying to say, look at how great Africa is.

We're going to be scrambling for these amazing people that we care about a lot. And we're trying to help a lot and they just don't think through. The consequences of what they're suggesting, which in the end are very detrimental and sort of the opposite of everything they've been working toward all the development and health improvement that they're working towards.

So there's a lot of irony that I see here because this is. A group that deeply, deeply cares about African

Malcolm Collins: populations. I disagree. I think that you haven't read some of their papers recently. So if you look at a lot of their papers, they will brag about how their interventions lower fertility rates in these countries.

Simone Collins: Well, I mean, [00:31:00] to a certain extent, and again, this is something that we've even held. We don't mind the fact that as demographic transitions take place that there are fewer Disastrous teen pregnancies where people are having kids without being ready for them. We're not Arguing against that and I think that that's what they're trying to fight for They're saying look at all these people who are having kids who don't want the kids who can't take care of the kids We don't want that to happen.

That's not what

Malcolm Collins: they're saying They are thrilled about a world in which african humans become a resource

Simone Collins: I mean again, I I just I just don't think you're able to model him maybe because you weren't raised in woke culture but when I read this using Previous models that I had in my head. The conclusion is like, is, is that as you can see Africa is the future.

We're all going to be scrambling for these amazing people that everyone now, everyone is ignoring and resource

Malcolm Collins: of Africans. I have procured, they don't get it. You're going to be lining [00:32:00] up to buy them. We can ship them to you. Well,

Simone Collins: you know, that's, It's, it's all very, as they would say, problematic, but I do think, and this is very common.

I mean, listen, everybody is trying to do what's best given the information they have on hand. They have not thought through a lot of what they're doing and what they're saying. And so when you look at it through our lens, it's very, very bad. But it, I'm just trying to

Malcolm Collins: say here is what is ultimately going to happen here.

If they have their way, if they're able to treat human populations this way, is on a scale, because I think people are often like, yeah, there were people in the past who did things so totally indefensible that nothing that anyone is striving for today comes close to things like slavery or the holocaust in terms of The human tragedy that will be imposed by it, the world that they are setting up will [00:33:00] be on that scale of human tragedy.

And, and that is why I fight so hard and why I feel so strongly about this.

Simone Collins: Yeah, I mean, I, I don't fault you for that, and I, I don't think that their policies are correct, and I don't think they're looking at this from a very healthy perspective, although immigration policy is going to matter a lot in how demographic collapse plays out, so it, they're right to To highlight that is something that's important.

They're right to highlight that a lot of the policies that even the Breitbart authors and editors involved in creating this story didn't seem to get, you know, Breitbart clearly thinks, well, let's just ban abortion. That's gonna solve it all. That's really gonna solve problems. Government handouts. Yeah.

So they, you know, they're wrong too. Okay. I think that. It's nice to see that there are people pointing to important things that we should be debating and thinking about. So, I will try to look at this [00:34:00] optimistically and think of it as part of a productive public discourse.

Malcolm Collins: I always appreciate your optimism.

The ability to see the humanity. And even the most monstrous individuals while still fighting against what they stand for. And I really appreciate that. And you're like, Oh, I shouldn't be the politician of the two of us. And yet, you know, I was just at a radio show where they had interviewed her recently and they, they, they like having me on more than her because I'm more of a fire brand, but they're like, you, she is the better politician.

She is the one who I would rather have representing me. And she is always the one I'd rather have was my finger on the button. And so when we heard from president. Don't

Simone Collins: worry about me because normally you have to worry about, you know, female president, you know, who's on her period. I don't get those cause I broke

Malcolm Collins: the body earlier.

So, and because you're always pregnant.

Simone Collins: Yeah, I'm, I'm effectively not actually female. So don't worry. Besides I'm backed by my husband and I do whatever he says. So I think that's why people [00:35:00] really want to vote for me. Well,

Malcolm Collins: I think that's the type of female president everybody wants.

Simone Collins: I'm really, I would love to see that.

I would love to see. I'm just here to do what my husband says. Press conferences. Well, I'm going to have to ask my husband about that first. I don't know why suddenly she's Southern. I'm sorry. But no, I mean, I think that that would be great. I would definitely pull that where I, the type of person who could get elected to such positions, but I have my doubts, so we shall see come November.

I love you. I love you too, Malcolm.

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