#234: Messaging | In this episode, Dave sits down with Emma Stratton, founder of Punchy, to break down what great B2B messaging actually looks like - and how to get it right. Emma has worked with hundreds of B2B tech companies to sharpen their positioning, eliminate vague copy, and train marketing teams to write with clarity and impact. They cover what makes messaging actually resonate and how to spot and fix abstract or weak copy. They also dive into Emma’s process for creating message-market fit, doing customer research, and working with execs and cross-functional teams.And BONUS: they spend the last 20 minutes talking about personal development, productivity, journaling, and managing your mental energy to be a better marketer (and human).Dave and Emma also cover:How to go from vague to punchy by writing with specificity and buyer empathyWhy most B2B messaging falls flat and how to avoid the “sea of sameness”How to use customer interviews, sales calls, and concrete language to create strong messagingWhy writing, meditation, and personal rituals are so important for creative energyTimestamps(00:00) - – Intro to Emma (04:13) - – What makes B2B messaging actually good (07:55) - – Common messaging mistakes (and why "clarity > clever") (10:53) - – Positioning vs. messaging: what’s the difference? (15:06) - – Why it's hard to name great B2B marketing examples (17:30) - – How to sharpen weak messaging and fix vague positioning statements (20:38) - – Simplifying complex products without dumbing it down (25:00) - – How to write for buyers (not just execs) (28:32) - – Using customer interviews and research to build strong messaging (33:10) - – Standing out in a crowded, buzzword-filled market (35:54) - – How storytelling fits into B2B messaging (39:00) - – Messaging advice for early-stage founders and startups (42:15) - – How often should you revisit and update messaging? (44:25) - – Productivity, managing your energy, and staying focused (47:40) - – Journaling, mindfulness, and being intentional with your time (51:35) - – Final takeaways Join 50,0000 people who get our Exit Five Newsletter here: https://www.exitfive.com/newsletterLearn more about Exit Five's private marketing community: https://www.exitfive.com/***Today's episode is brought to you by Knak.Email (in my humble opinion) is the still the greatest marketing channel of all-time.It’s the only way you can truly “own” your audience.But when it comes to building the emails - if you’ve ever tried building an email in an enterprise marketing automation platform, you know how painful it can be. Templates are too rigid, editing code can break things and the whole process just takes forever. That’s why we love Knak here at Exit Five. Knak a no-code email platform that makes it easy to create on-brand, high-performing emails - without the bottlenecks.Frustrated by clunky email builders? You need Knak.Tired of ‘hoping’ the email you sent looks good across all devices? Just test in Knak first.Big team making it hard to collaborate and get approvals? Definitely Knak.And the best part? Everything takes a fraction of the time.See Knak in action at knak.com/exit-five. Or just let them know you heard about Knak on Exit Five.***Thanks to my friends at hatch.fm for producing this episode and handling all of the Exit Five podcast production.They give you unlimited podcast editing and strategy for your B2B podcast.Get unlimited podcast editing and on-demand strategy for one low monthly cost. Just upload your episode, and they take care of the rest.Visit hatch.fm to learn more